Episode 90: Beyond The Matrix: Naadi Palm Leaf Readings For A Limitless You With Dr. Q Moayad

What if an ancient palm leaf, written thousands of years ago, held the key to your destiny—revealing your karma, purpose, and the path to a limitless life? Welcome to The Limitless One Podcast! I’m your host, Anand J Sukhadia, and this is where we explore the wisdom that empowers us to break free from limitations and step into our boundless potential. Today, we’re diving into one of my favorite topics: Naadi Astrology, a practice that invites us to transcend the matrix of reality as we know it, awakening who we’re truly meant to be.

Our guest is the inspiring Dr. Q Moayad, Director at Indian Palm Leaf Reading for Naadi Astrology. Born to an Austrian Catholic mother and a Persian Bahá’í father, Dr. Q grew up in Iran until the 1979 Islamic Revolution forced his family to flee to Austria. Surviving cancer from 16 to 19 sparked his spiritual journey, even as he earned a PhD and built a successful U.S. tour operator business. In 2013, a near-fatal illness led him to a Naadi palm leaf reading that changed everything, revealing his destiny to bring this ancient wisdom to the West. Now, he travels the world, sharing its transformative power.

Naadi Astrology, crafted by enlightened sages with divine insight, inscribes your life’s blueprint—karma, obstacles, and purpose—onto palm leaves, found via your thumbprint. It’s a glimpse beyond the illusion of everyday reality, and Dr. Q’s institute makes it accessible worldwide.

Today, we’ll uncover the history, magic, and science of Naadi Astrology. How does it help us escape the matrix and live limitlessly? What’s the role of past life karma? And how do we navigate this practice safely, avoiding scams? Dr. Q’s journey will light the way.

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Beyond The Matrix: Naadi Palm Leaf Readings For A Limitless You With Dr. Q Moayad

What if an ancient palm leaf written thousands of years ago held the key to your destiny, revealing your karma, purpose, and the path to a limitless life? Welcome to the show. I am your host, Anand J. Sukhadia, and this is where we explore the wisdom that empowers us to break free from limitations and step into our boundless potential. We're diving into one of my favorite topics, Nadi Astrology, a practice that invites us to transcend the matrix of reality as we know it, awakening who we're truly meant to be.

Our guest is the inspiring Dr. Q Moayad, Director at Indian Palm Leaf Reading for Nadi Astrology. Born to an Austrian Catholic mother and a Persian Bahá'i father, Dr. Q grew up in Iran until the 1979 Islamic Revolution forced his family to flee to Austria. Surviving cancer from the ages of 16 to 19 sparked his spiritual journey, even as he earned a PhD and built a successful US tour operator business. In 2013, a near-fatal illness led him to a Nadi palm leaf reading that changed everything, revealing his true destiny to bring this ancient wisdom to the West. Now, he travels the world, sharing its transformative power.

Nadi Astrology, crafted by the enlightened sages with divine insight, inscribes your life's blueprint, karma, obstacles, and purpose onto palm leaves found via your thumbprint. It's a glimpse beyond the illusion of everyday reality, and Dr. Q's institute makes it accessible worldwide. We'll uncover the history, the magic, and the science behind Nadi Astrology. How does it help us escape the matrix and live limitlessly? What's the role of past life karma, and how do we navigate this practice safely, avoiding scams? Dr. Q's journey will light the way.

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Dr. Q, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much, Anand. I appreciate it for having me. It's an honor and a pleasure.

I heard you talking about one of my favorite topics in the world, something that has changed the trajectory of my life, which is Nadi Astrology, and your company, specifically, the Indian Palm Leaf Reading Institute, on the Alex Ferrari podcast. It showed me that I've been looking for somebody to interview on this topic for a long time. I could only interview myself previously because there was nobody else I could talk to about it who didn't speak fluent ancient Tamil. It's wonderful to come across you. Thank you so much for joining us.

You're welcome. I listened to your podcast, by the way, to know how much you know and what your experience was at the time. Maybe I can expand on it a little bit and go deeper.

Before we begin, Dr. Q, I always ask my guests, what does living a limitless life mean to you?

It's very simple. I try to be as kind and as helpful as possible, period. I am walking the path of Dharma, which we can expand on in this show, too, if you want to. Being on the righteous path, helping others, is what makes me happy.

Dr. Q's Background & Journey

Can you tell us a little bit about your background and how you got to this place in life?

My mom is Austrian, European. My dad is Persian. I grew up in Iran when it was still a 'normal' country. My father is from the Bahá'i faith. His entire family is one of the original first Bahá'is, actually, within the Bahá'i community. The Moayads, which is my family name, are very well-known as the first converts to the new religion that came about 170 years ago or sometime now. My dad was wealthy. My mom came over from Europe, blonde and blue-eyed, and in some way, is very naive, moving to a different country and culture. Everything changed in 1979 when there was a revolution. Your audience might be mature enough, you might be mature enough to remember, or at least have heard of it in school.

There was a revolution. We had to flee the country, period. Otherwise, at least my father, if not all of us, would have been executed. All we could take with us were two suitcases, and that's it. I know how it feels to have servants and have a golden spoon in my mouth. I was eight at the time. I also know how it feels to have absolutely no money at all and be a refugee. My teenage years were in Austria, in Vienna, which were also beautiful times. In 1986, and I presume you were born by then already, the biggest nuclear catastrophe in the state happened, called Chernobyl, which was put into a very gripping Netflix series. If you haven't seen it, I can highly recommend it, because I lived through it.

In April of '86, a nuclear reactor burst, and its nuclear cloud traveled about 2,000 kilometers, 1,000 or so miles, and dumped its nuclear waste over central Europe. For those of you who do not know where Austria is, it's in the heart of Europe, south of Germany and north of Italy. It's right in the continental center. We know that something that you cannot see, smell, or touch can be as deadly as a nuclear fallout. As a result, tens of thousands of people died and also got cancer. I got cancer.

I was diagnosed with cancer in 1988. I'm very lucky, my cancer doctor and I became good friends. I was a kid. I was 16 or 17 years old when I was diagnosed with cancer. She also became a politician, the Secretary of Health. She told me that most likely, my cancer was caused by the nuclear fallout, but it was hush-hush. Politicians across the world didn't want to talk about it too much and spread panic. I was lucky. Three years in and out of the hospital, I spent about six months in total as an inpatient, a very long time, with by now well over 1,000 needles up my veins.

I was released from the hospital. They said, “You're cured.” When I was admitted to the hospital, I said, “God, why me?” I was stressed, and a lot of anxiety was going on. When I was released, I also said, “God, why me? How come I survived?” Many of those I shared the room with and the department with did not. I saw many people die, not literally, but I knew they were dead because they were not there anymore. That is the beginning of my journey. That's when I somewhat realized that there is something bigger than meets the eye. Ever since that time, when I was nineteen, when they released me from the hospital, proclaiming me as cured, although you're never cured as a cancer patient, you're in remission, I wanted to know what is behind the veil that I cannot see and tried to pierce it.

For the past 40 years, I've been doing almost everything possible to pierce that veil. I spent time with shamans in the Amazon, in the jungle, scariest too, not easy. I tried shamanic medicine and did Vipassana meditation retreats, Reiki healing, group therapies, and God knows what, all of it with one single aim. That’s to go deeper into the rabbit hole. Now at 54, I have come to realize the deeper I go, the less I know, because it never stops. It gets bigger, not smaller.

The more you know, the more you need to understand that the maze never stops. It's an amazing journey, with lots of challenges, too, but it's truly worth it. You cannot go back. Once you're in it, you want to go deeper. I know that for sure already. Twelve or thirteen years ago, I caught a virus, way before COVID. I caught a virus and got very sick. I was visiting and staying with my girlfriend at the time in Budapest.

The more you know, the more you realize the maze never ends.

By the way, I'm talking to you from Budapest. I moved here because of Emese, and she's my closest friend. I stayed, even though we're not dating anymore. She's like my sisterly friend, a sister that I've never had. I stayed, and I'm still here. I'm very fit. That is why I survived the virus attack. I couldn't keep up with her. We were jogging. I said, I cannot keep up with you. She said, “You need to go back to the hospital, to your cancer hospital.” I did, on a train, because it's close to Budapest and not far apart.

I have a VIP status, jokingly speaking, because I've been there for almost 40 years. They know me. Of course, they do. When I came, I said, “Look, I don't feel good. The chills, fever, I can hardly breathe.” They sent me to various departments to get checked up, and then the cardiologist said, “You have to stay here, sir. You cannot go.” I said, “What? I have a job. In two days, I'm going to fly to Frankfurt.” I remember him shouting into my ear, saying, “Dr. Moayad, I don't think you understand. You are very sick. You might die. You have to stay here.”

Thank God I stayed because that day, I collapsed. I reached temperatures of 42 degrees Celsius. I keep forgetting. I'm a lot in Fahrenheit. A very high fever, where you reach a stage of complete delirium. You don't even know whether it's morning or evening. You profusely sweat 3 or 4 liters a day a lot. They couldn't fix it. They shoved me into the ICU. They told my mom, “Pray, because all we can do is sedate him and hope for the best.”

Ultimately, I had myocarditis, which is an inflamed heart muscle, water in my heart sac, pneumonia, and water in my lungs, but I survived. When they shoved me into the ICU, I said, “God, what the hell have I done to end up in the hospital that many times?” Being in this delirious state, I thought to myself, this lifetime, I'm a nice guy. I'm not money-driven. I don't even own a car. It's not important to me at all. I help people a lot, as much as I can, and yet I end up in the hospital so many times. I thought it must have to do with karma.

When my girlfriend visited me in the ICU, washing me, and that was a very humbling experience too, I could not move at all. She said, “There is something you can do,” because what she heard was Nadi readings. I said, “What is that?” She said, “Honey, I told you about this already a year ago.” I'm a sucker for anything spiritual. You tell me anything spiritual, I'm on it right away. That is where I spend my money and time. I said, “Really?” She said, “Yeah, I told you a year ago.” I said, “Obviously, I wasn't ready to hear it, but now I am. If I survive, I'm going to go and see if there is a leaf written for me, too.” Obviously, I survived.

I had a Nadi reading. It changed my life completely. Otherwise, I would not be here talking to you about this amazing experience that I had. In the reading, the reader said, in a by sentence, it was not like a major revelation, “You will bring this to the West.” I said, “I'm a white guy.” For those of you tuning in to this, I'm a regular white guy, nothing to do with India. Do I like Indian culture? Am I involved in it? Of course, I meditate, and I love Indian food. I love spicy food. I love yoga. I've been doing it for years. I'm a big fan of Bikram yoga, to be very specific, but I've done all types of different types of yoga, too.

I have nothing to do with India. I thought, “Whatever.” It went in one ear and the other, but I'm a very enthusiastic human being, too. Whenever I experience something that is out of the ordinary, I share it with everyone. I'm able to spark an interest in them. They said, “This is amazing. I want to get a reading, too.” I said, “Let's book a flight, and let's go to India.” That is when I realized that most Western people will never go to India. It's a no-go zone, for whatever reason. The food is too spicy, the weather is too hot, too much poverty, chaos, you name it. I thought, “Maybe we can do it online,” Skype in the old days. By the way, Skype is shutting down completely. It comes as a shock. It doesn't exist anymore.

I asked the reader, “Can we do it over Skype?” “Yeah, sure. Not a problem. We can do it.” That is how it all started, me helping out friends and family to get everything without having to go to India. I'm a traveler. You need to know that, too. I'm an academic by training. I have a PhD, so Dr. Q is not just a stage name. It's a nickname bestowed upon me, that's true, by friends, because they thought it sounds cool. Q is short for Keyumars, which is a Persian name. The name of the first king of ancient Persia was Keyumars. Q is short for Keyumars, and Dr. Q sounded cool. It has nothing to do with Star Trek or James Bond because people ask me, “Is it from James Bond or Star Trek?” No, neither. If at all, then I prefer to be god Q on Star Trek than James Bond Q.

I'm a traveler. Even though I love teaching young adults, university students, the red tape that goes behind the scenes is mind-numbing. I'm not the kind of person to deal with all the policies and the nonsense that goes on behind the scenes. I changed careers big time and started a travel business because it's in me. I love to travel. I've been almost everywhere. For me to go to India, even though it's challenging, mind you, I get sick every single time I go, every single time I get Delhi belly, as they call it, specifically because my immune system is not very strong, given my cancer years. Nonetheless, I travel. I like to travel, but Western people don't. To a small group of Western people, India is like a magnet. They move to India. They live in ashrams. They do whatever they do.

For the vast majority, no, so Skype was a solution. They were blown away by their experience. I was sitting in every single reading myself because I realized when we had the reading, people didn't understand the Indian accent either, the Indian English known as Hinglish. I was sitting in it and retranslating for them what they were saying. As I was doing that, I also explained the deeper meaning. I didn't have a guide like you guys have now with me. In our institute, I didn't have anyone explaining the deeper meanings of any of it. It intrinsically made sense to me.

I understood the message without understanding every single aspect of it, but I got the gist. I knew from the get-go, I could not take it verbatim. It can only be a guideline. If I want to change something, I have to do the pujas verbatim, exactly as prescribed. I understood the concept. I did, maybe because I've done so many things beforehand, before I had my Nadi readings. I had them. Out of this, the role of moderator in my institute came about. In every reading we conduct, there are three people: the reader who only speaks Tamil, the interpreter who interprets from Tamil to English, and they both sit in our office in India, and the Western moderator, whom I train personally to help understand the Indian English and also the deeper meaning of it.

From the first to the last minute, the moderator is the person to connect to and help you get the most out of your reading. This is how I ended up doing what I'm doing. The word spread. More people wanted to get a reading. Eventually, I was like, “I don't even know this guy, and I'm sitting here helping him get a reading.” It's been a long time. It's amazing. Many years ago, we established the institute, legally speaking, in the US, and the rest is history.

Now, we have a foundation, too. Every reading, by the way, helps me help more people. We support an orphanage in the state of Tamil Nadu. It has become way bigger than I ever thought. It's a big organization right now with many people involved in it, not just in India, but the support staff and moderators across the globe in different countries. It's been an amazing journey. That is how I ended up here.

The mission is so strong. I think that's what fueled the rise of this foundation and your institute so quickly. We're living in this world. Some people call it the matrix, and it's very three-dimensional. It's logical. To expose somebody for a brief period to something that you could not explain with logic, but that's so much bigger than we are and so much more spiritual in nature, when you expose somebody once, and then they understand that it can be true, now you're opening up a perspective that is something that somebody maybe has not had in their life before. It's transforming the quality and the possibility of one's life.

I did Nadi Astrology back in 2009. I could go into that story a little bit, but it transformed my life. Like you, I'm somebody who constantly wants to learn more and go deeper down that rabbit hole. It never stops. It's crazy because then I do all this self-development, learn as much as I can, go to the pyramids, do ayahuasca, and all these things. It brings so much richness into my life. The deeper you go, it's almost like a slingshot, realizing that all of this knowledge, all of this love, and all of this God connection have always been with you. We're having to unlayer a lot of the stuff that we put on ourselves, the limitations, the beliefs, and all these things that we accumulated, like junk, over the course of our lives.

The Definition Of Nadi Astrology (Indian Palm Leaf Reading)

It's so beautiful because all of these things are available to us. We just need to have the perspective to be able to understand that it's real, and we can access it at any time. Nadi Astrology is one of the biggest eye-openers in my life. Before we go forward, can you tell us what Nadi Astrology is for the audience who has not been exposed to it before?

First of all, let's start with Indian palm leaf reading. When I got exposed to it and then had an amazing experience and tried to tell people that I had a Nadi reading, they said, “What the hell is that?” To make it simple for them, I created a term, Indian palm leaf reading. Indian, so people would know it has to do with India. Palm leaf, hopefully, they wouldn't mix this up with palm reading. I still get messages, “Can you read my palm?” I'm like, “Read what I do, and then send us a message.” Reading that there is a message. That's Indian palm reading, hence Indian Palm Reading Institute, but in India, nobody calls it Indian palm reading. We call it Nadi Astrology. Nadi Shastra actually should be the term to use, and Nadi has many meanings.

Nadi is the seeker, the person who seeks divine information. It means a leaf where the information is written. It means the exact moment in time the message is divulged to the seeker, not a day before, not a day later. It also means pulse, representing human life. Nadi has many meanings, depending on whether you look at it from a yogic point of view or a Vedic point of view. Nadi Shastra falls within the big realm of Vedic Astrology.

Vedic Astrology is a relatively new term because, in reality, it's Hindu Astrology or Indian Astrology. In the '60s and '70s, when Ayurveda became hip in the West, it was a marketing stunt. They started to call Hindu Astrology Vedic Astrology to connect it with Ayurveda. Both Vedic and Ayurveda connect to the Vedas. I don't want to go too deep into the whole universe because it's very complex. The Vedas are like the foundation of Indian mysticism and healing, to put it super simple. Hence, Vedic Astrology and Ayurveda. It's predictive astrology. That's what it is.

Unlike 'regular' Vedic Astrology or astrology in general, which uses charts to determine a person's reading, in Nadi readings, it's written on a leaf already. You need to have a skilled reader, that's the person who can find your leaf and then read it to you, to be able to access the message for you. To make it simple, I brought this for you, too. I will go deeper into this. I brought a mock-up of a book or a bundle. This book or bundle contains up to 108 individual leaves.

Naadi Palm Leaf Readings: Unlike regular Vedic astrology, which uses charts for readings, Nadi readings are already written on a palm leaf. A skilled reader is needed to find your specific leaf and interpret its message.

By the way, 108 is a holy number in Hinduism. Over time, these leaves disintegrate. They crack, they get lost, fires, floods, and whatever. Usually, a bundle or book would have 40 to 60 leaves, give or take. These bundles and books are stored primarily in the southernmost state of India, called Tamil Nadu. Tamil Nadu has about 85 million inhabitants, so twice the size of California, to give people an idea. Unlike California, which is on the West Coast of the United States, Tamil Nadu is on the East Coast. It's also elongated. The capital city is Chennai, formerly known as Madras. Fifteen million people live in that city-state alone.

Tamil Nadu is different from the rest of India. I know that you're Indian, but in an extraction, Tamil Nadu is a state within a state, a country within a country. Tamils don't speak Hindi. It was a political decision, so that means if an Indian from the same country visits Tamil Nadu, they're like foreigners because Tamils use their own language, scripture, and also their own culture in many ways. It's possibly the most spiritual state.

There are more temples in Tamil Nadu than in any other state of India. Tamils are very proud to say that it's the original state of India. The rest came later. I'm going deep already. I brought a picture of the eighteen Tamil Siddhars, wise men, maharishis. Maha means great. Rishi means sage. Legend has it that the Maharishis sat primarily with Agastya. Our system is based on Agastya's books and leaves. He sat in meditation, invoking the power of Shiva, Parvati, Ganesha, and Vishnu, to be able to tap into the Akashic records, receive the information, and have it written down on leaves. No ink used, no paper used. You've got to put your historical glasses on and think back 2,000 years ago, there was no paper.

They used what they had in abundance, palm leaves, and they cut them into 10- or 20-inch long slices, and they're about 1 or 2 inches wide. They used the sharp tool, no henna, no ink, on the leaf, and then, when it dried up, the writing came through. They're brittle, so how can they preserve these brittle leaves? They used two slabs of wood, maybe bark of the palm tree itself, and then they put similar soles together in one of these books or bundles, and now they're stored in archives.

When you think of an archive, you might think of air conditioning, a security guard, or a water dispenser. None of that is the reality. When you've been to India, you know how India functions. In reality, folks, out there, these are holes in a wall, referred to as archives and libraries. It could be individual rooms in somebody's home, and there are thousands of them, not just 1, 2, or 500. There are many archives. They have maybe 50, 500, or 2,000 bundles. All in all, God knows how many are out there.

There's got to be hundreds of thousands of these bundles, and that is how they traveled throughout time. Now we’re in 2025, the system on how you can get a reading is the exact same, more or less, as it was for millennia. Again, put on your historical glasses. In the old days, nobody could read or write, only the elite, the educated. That means the rulers and the priests. That's it. The rest, no idea about reading or writing. The Maharishis, in their great wisdom, said, “How can we connect a leaf to a person who cannot read or write?” Thumbprint is a very unique feature of a soul. You cannot duplicate that. That is why we need your thumbprints to find bundles for you.

It's a three-step process. It was then the same. You would go to a reader in a reader's office, and there are readers' offices all over the place. The birthplace, by the way, legend has it, is a town called Vaitheeswaran Koil, about five hours south of Chennai, the capital city of Tamil Nadu. I've been to Vaitheeswaran Koil many times, and I got offices because we work with many different readers, and that's the hub. The next bigger town will be Chidambaram, which is about an hour away from Vaitheeswaran Koil.

I'm telling this because you're Indian. Maybe you're Hindu, too. Chidambaram is important because it's the only temple in India that is dedicated to both Shiva and Vishnu. It's a very unique temple, and it's dedicated to the Nataraja, the dancing form of Shiva. I don't want to overwhelm people when they tune in to this, but to give you a geographic idea, it's about five hours south, and some of our offices are there in this area, too. We use the Nataraja temple, and some people might have seen my videos, which are shot in that very famous temple.

 The Process Of Matching A Leaf

They were sitting in meditation, tapped into their cache records, downloaded it, and then telepathically had their disciples etch the information on leaves, and that's how they were preserved and traveled through millennia. You would need to submit your thumbprints, then the reader would look at your thumbprints, ladies left, gentlemen right. That has to do with karma and female and male energies. By the way, because we already had several transgendered people getting a reading from us, it is the gendered birth that counts. When you're born as a female and going to male, you need to submit your left still and vice versa.

The reader looks at your thumbprint and identifies your thumbprint category type. That's important. The secret in all of this lies in your thumbprint and the thumbprint category type. What's also important to know is that the only aspect in a reading that you cannot change, not negotiable, and just a representation of you, is your thumbprint category type. It's neither good nor bad. It's like your red thread through life. It's your genetic imprint, your baseline. Embrace it with all your heart. Some thumbprint category types are easier, while some thumbprint category types are not so easy.

When you're mature enough, meaning not eighteen, you can get a reading already as a teenager. By the way, the minimum age is sixteen to get a reading, not before, because you're not old enough. Your soul is not evolved enough to get a reading, but from sixteen onwards, you can. There is no limit in age, how old you can be to still get a reading. We had many readings for folks in their 80s, not yet in their 90s, but you can also have a reading at 95, not an issue.

He would look at your thumbprint category type, identify it, and then go on a search for books or bundles. If it's your first reading, it's usually an Agastya bundle that we look for in the various archives. Now, people think, “There's a registry. There's a computer system. You type it in, and then you know exactly where to go.” Folks, it's India. This is not the West or so. It's the opposite of what you might think. No registry, no computer, still the same as if you were doing this 500 years ago.

No FBI database. People are like, “You send it to an FBI database, and they give you all the information.” No, it's not like that.

Anand, thank you for saying that, too. If you think that we waste a minute of my precious time in Googling anyone or hacking into the Social Security database or the FBI, then please don't do it because I don't have the time and energy to explain that. It's the way it's done. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, because sometimes, we get the message, “You hacked me or this.” If you think that, then maybe this is not for you. He goes on a search, and then he finds books and bundles that carry leaves with only your specific thumbprint category type.

There are 108 different category types. A bundle may have up to 108 leaves, but usually 40 to 60, because over time, they disintegrate. If we have 108 different category types, these are combinations of words times thousands of bundles that would match your thumbprint category type, you can calculate how many millions of bundles are out there. Does everyone have a leaf? No, but we can go deeper into that, too. They don't open the bundles. They just look at the cover. The cover either has a number or a symbol. By looking at the cover, they know which category type it is in.

Every single leaf in a book matches your thumbprint category type. It could be a lady in Australia, a gentleman in France, not born yet, or already passed on. Either way, that is what you share in common. That means you're soul sisters or brothers. You're not related to them. He then would bring it to the office. The whole thing is a three-step process. The search for the bundles can only happen after submitting your thumbprint category type, your thumbprint, and then the reader finds your category type either in the office of a reader, which is called the reader's office, or through us online. It's the same thing.

Naadi Palm Leaf Readings: Every leaf in a book matches a specific thumbprint category. It could belong to a woman in Australia, a man in France, someone unborn, or someone who's passed on. Either way, that shared thumbprint connects you—you’re soul sisters or brothers, though not biologically related.

Steps two and three are matching your leaf. That means finding your actual leaf within the bundle, and then the reading itself. Three steps. These three steps have not changed. It's the same process. In the old days, they were asking for a bit more information, but we cut things down and made it a little faster these days. You submit your thumbprint. We know your gender because if it's left, it's a woman. If it's right, it's a male, the country of birth, and that's it.

Whether you had a reading already or not makes a difference, too, simply because if it's your first reading, then usually, it's Agastya who wrote a leaf for you. If you already had a reading with Agastya, you still can have another leaf written by Agastya for you, but then we would look for a different maharishi. Vashishta or Bhrigu, for example. There are so many. There are hundreds of them who wrote leaves, but only eighteen were deemed as the main Tamil Siddhars. If you're in India, you will go to the office, and then you will do matching and reading in front of the reader, which I did. Otherwise, you can do it online.

The whole purpose of my institute, by the way, is to make it easy for you guys. You can sit comfortably at home, sip your tea or coffee in your air-conditioned room or heated room, and have a reading. It beats having to get up because, having a global audience, we had to come up with set times. It's 6:45 AM or 12:45 AM for East Coast people. It's either late at night or early morning, converting to 9:45 PM or 3:45 AM California time. Having to get up early or stay up late beats any time spending money, flying to India, getting inoculation, or finding a reader that you can trust. I think it's worth it to get up early or stay up late for a possibly life-changing experience.

From the comfort of your own home. I had to go there. I spent almost 12 or 13 hours in the center. Luckily, they found my leaf at that center, but I know people who went to multiple centers and took weeks at a time to find the right center. This is way easier and way more beneficial.

I get messages too from people, too, “I would so much rather do it in India.” I said, “Great, go.” I'm not here to sell anyone anything. I'm just providing a service. By the way, since we're mentioning it, I haven't made a single dollar on this. It's pure good karma work. Little did I know many years ago when this whole journey started that it would be this big with a wait list of 2, 3, or 4 years, which I do not even know how long the wait list is at the moment. The influx of reading requests is getting more and more.

I can only expand, meaning create capacity gradually, because it's a very time-consuming process to find the right reader and a matching interpreter, and train moderators. It's a complex thing. We cannot expand as fast as demand grows. There's ten times more demand than I have the capacity for. It is comfortable. It is meant to help you. If you want it, wonderful. If you don't want it, also wonderful. Either way is okay with me.

In our case, our institute does the matching and the reading through Zoom. We did it over Skype in the early days, but now Skype doesn't even exist anymore. We were one of the very first to use Zoom. I remember telling people, “I don't know what Zoom is. Do I have to install something?” Anyway, now, it's super easy. Just click on it and boom, there you are. Wherever you are, my Indian team is in India, and the Western moderator is wherever they are. We have them all over the place. They're all trained by me, by the way. They're trained to help you understand the accent, but also the deeper meaning of it.

Matching and reading take quite a while, 3 or 4 hours. What does it entail? When you join our Zoom call, or when you go and sit in front of the reader, the reader opens up the book. I made a copy of a bundle. It's a one-to-one copy of an actual bundle, but it's a copy. For a simple reason, I give a lot of live talks, too. I took with me a real bundle, which wasn't good either, but that was the only way for me to show people.

I told people, “Don't touch it. The leaves are 300 years old.” What do people do? They touch it. They're very bad. I copied it over onto plastic. Now, people can touch it as much as they want. These leaves are written in a dead language called Grantha, ancient Tamil. It is similar to ancient Greek and modern Greek. A modern Greek person doesn't read or understand ancient Greek. They go to university. It's a university degree. In our case, it's not as far apart, but nonetheless, it's its own language called Grantha, or ancient Tamil, number one.

Number two, Tamil, and hence also Grantha, are syllabic languages, sound-based, ha, te, ha, ye, as opposed to being letter-based, like all Western languages, all of them, Norwegian, English, German. Even Persian, and I'm Persian and fluent in Persian, is letter-based, A, B, C, D. It's sound-based like Chinese Mandarin. If we had to convert Tamil to the English alphabet, it would have 247 letters. It's complex. I'm trying to shed light on the complexity of it. People think, “Is this going to be a five-minute gig?” It's not. It's a dead language, a syllabic language. It's written as a poem. The original leaves are written as a conversation between Shiva and his wife, Parvati, in a poetic form.

It's very lyrical. It sounds like a song, almost.

It is. Last but not least, the icing on the cake, it's written in code because that's the only way to compress so much information onto a small leaf. Hence, you would need an authentic, ethical reader with years of experience to deliver the message to you. When people say, “I'd much rather do it in India. I'm going to fly to Vaitheeswaran Koil and do it in the center of it.” Yeah, there are a couple of hundred reader offices. All I can say is good luck. Almost any person would sell you anything for a quick buck. That's what people are not aware of.

I say this with all respect. I go to India all the time, but I have to realize that 80% of it is fake, to various degrees. Some know a little bit. Some know absolutely nothing. To find a reader who is ethical, grounded, dedicated, experienced, is quite something. It takes time to find such a person. That is why we cannot expand so fast, because I do it step by step. That is how the leaves are written. You sit in front of him. The reader opens up the book, like I do, and then he looks at the first leaf.

Looking at it, he then reads out to you a statement, the most important statement on that leaf that catches his eye. Not a question, it's a statement. Matching pauses reflect your current reality that you're in. For example, he will say, “You're married,” because this leaf belongs to a human who is married. That simple. If you're married, then, at the time of the matching, you will say yes. If you're not married, you say no. The only answers to statements that you should give are a yes, no, right, wrong, correct, and incorrect. No need to give any more information than that.

For example, you are married, but you're going through a divorce. No need to say, “Yes, I'm going through a divorce.” That's irrelevant to the reader. By the way, let's say you get a reading through our institute, we need to know your name. You have to pay for it and stuff, and we email back and forth. You can rest assured, and on my father's grave, the reader only has your thumbprint. That's it. Everything else is on the leaf. If you don't trust us, then don't do it. It's as simple as that.

I've got too many readings to explain why and how. You're Indian, and you've been to India, so you know how people live, and it's not the wealthiest country. I do know my readers travel an hour on a public bus to come to the office, and some of them don't even have an actual toilet in their house. They have an outhouse. If you think that we spend a minute on Googling you or hacking your Social Security, then I'm in the wrong setting here. That's the only thing that the reader knows about you because everything else will be revealed on the leaf.

For as long as you say yes to a statement, he stays on it. It goes deeper. If you say no to a statement, then that's not you. He flips over to the next, and that is how the process works. What you also need to know is that the reader must know in which direction to decode the leaf. As I explained to you earlier, it's a syllabic language. A symbol can be A, E, I, O, or U in English. He says your second letter has an A, E, I, O, U. Is it correct or not? Yes, it's correct.

We can use your name. Your name starts with an A, E, I, O, or U. You will say yes. He either says, “It's an I or O,” and then obviously you say no, then that's not your leaf. He will say, “It's an A or E,” then we say yes, and then it's an A, or he will ask you straight up, “What is it?” to save time, or the symbol is not clear enough. If it's clear, then he will say it's an A or E. If it's unclear, he says, “What is it?” You say it's an A. That is how the process works.

G, J, K, L, M, N, or S, C, G, K, there are different combinations that are always the same. He needs to know, “How should I interpret the symbol?” You're the one who needs to help do it. Matching happens. That is the wow factor of it all. It blew my mind, too. I'm very honest about it. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. I told you and the audience, my father is Persian. I grew up in Iran. My mom is Austrian, so Germanic, blonde, blue-eyed. My father looked like Omar Sharif, for those of you who are mature enough to remember him, a famous Egyptian movie actor. He did Dr. Chibago, maybe you remember the old movies.

By the way, I already referred to the way it's delivered, the statement and answer, and then the reading itself, too, is in a sing-song way, in a poetic way, because it's written as a poem. The readers learn it. They have to learn it because the way they chant the statement to you already has healing faculties in it. The whole purpose of getting your reading, the whole process of it, is meant to give you healing energies. It's delivered in a sing-song way. “Dam ba ram ba ram ba ram ba ram.” I don't speak Tamil, but that is how it sounds to me. It's done on purpose. They learn it. At the end, when matching happens, that's the wow part of it.

I, not speaking Tamil, heard, “Dam ba ram ba ram ba ram Siavash.” What? Siavash is my father's name. The interpreter said, “Your father's name is Siavash.” I said, “Holy moly, absolutely.” “Dam ba ram ba ram ba ram Gizela.” That's my mom's name. It blew my mind. I said, “Absolutely, yes, it is.” They confirm your date of birth and all the rest of it, and then they declare a match. That means they found you, and then you get the reading.

That's when your heartbeat starts going fast.

I do not even know how many readings I moderated myself. People start crying. People who are sometimes very stern and skeptical and keep up their guard start crying and shaking, and say, “I cannot believe this.” I must admit, it is quite an experience. The whole purpose of the search for the bundles and the matching of your leaf is to give you the reading. Now, the reading is based on three aspects. It's of utmost importance for me to share this.

These Maharishis wrote leaves not to make you, the seeker who receives the reading, feel special, chosen, or something out of the ordinary. No, we're all special. It doesn't matter if that particular person has VIP status in our society today or not. We're all chosen. I had many VIPs, famous people, that had reading with us. I treat them the exact same way as I treat everyone else. To me, it makes no difference, and neither did the Maharishis. You are a soul. The only thing that matters is what you do with the gift called life. What do you do with it? The reading is not sugar-coated because it's not meant to make you feel good, chosen, or special. It's not sugar-coated. It comes raw.

You are a soul. The only thing that matters is what you do with the gift called life.

The Purpose & Nature Of A Nadi Reading

If you have been bumming around before you got your reading, and again, I had people from all walks of life with all different issues, it's a kick in your butt. It will say you have wasted your time. You are late, this, then the other. It's wrong. To some people, it comes as a shock because they think, “They found my leaf. It means I'm special or chosen.” No, it's not. In one simple sentence, a reading is meant to help you, the seeker, create a better life trajectory for yourself after the reading, whatever better means. If you are already in alignment, and many are, they come and get a reading from us, then the reading is smooth because you're already in alignment.

Do we have challenges and obstacles to overcome? Of course. Otherwise, we'd be angels with wings and not human beings. It doesn't matter how pure your intentions are or how much you have embraced Dharma as your life's purpose. There are obstacles. There are blocks that you need to overcome, but it's smoother reading than for a person who has been off course until they get the reading. You need to know that. It's not sugar-coated, and then people get angry or upset.

In the early days, I remember they told me, “That's a terrible reading. I cannot trust it. It's useless. I want my money back.” Of course, they get their money back. It's not an issue. At some point, I wasn't involved day-to-day with readings anymore. I sat down and listened to their reading to understand why on Earth he or she say that's not a good reading. To me, after watching it, I knew this was a great reading, very good direction. You can work on your blocks. It took me a while, but then it dawned on me, they were not told that they're special. The seeker was not told they're special. They were told a lot of blocks they had to overcome. To be faced with the truth and reality of their lives was too much for them.

They thought, “I will enter this, get a reading, and be a saint afterwards,” or successful afterwards, find a wife afterwards, be pregnant afterwards, or God knows what expectations they had. Nowadays, I'm very adamant about the fact that the reading is not meant to make you feel cool and chosen. No, it can be a harsh kick in your butt. The harsher the kick, the more you have to realize you've been off course, period. The smoother, the more you've been in alignment. It's the way it is. It gives you the good, the bad, and the ugly, all of it.

The trajectory he gives you, also very important, is from the day, the moment you get the reading. The reader decodes it, and then, on your behalf, looks into the future until there is no more writing on the leaf, and it comes in increments of years. As he goes through the years, in 40 to 42, 43 to 45, something like that, he will tell you the good. That means the universe supports you in whatever you might do. Write a book, move, find a partner, change jobs, expand business, whatever. Whether you do it or not is up to you because we all have free will and choice. That's very important.

No one's life is set in stone or written on a leaf. It cannot. If it were, then you and I were puppets. I refuse to be a puppet because if I were, then why should I experience this human experience at all? We have free will and choice. We can go deep down the rabbit hole and discuss how much free will and choice we have, but that might be for a different show. Do I turn left or right? Coffee or tea? Most of it is subconscious, but some of it is consciously decided. The reading is here to help you make the right choices, so that you, and only you, can create the reality that you're experiencing by being the captain of your ship, called, in your case, Anand's life. Move it in the direction that you want better, whatever better means to you.

We all have free will and choice. No one’s life is set in stone or written on a leaf.

For me, when I had my reading, very simple. No more tubes down my throat, no more needles down my vein, no hospital, better health in general. People come for whatever reason, which any reason is good enough, even if it's curiosity, because it's meant as a guideline, as a compass for your life, as a blueprint. What you do with it, again, is free will and choice. They can only show you the water, and then you can take it, drink it, or still say, “No, not for me,” and jump out of the balcony if you want to. Not a good choice, but you have that option, too.

The reading is based on three aspects. On the day you get the reading, first of all, on your thumbprint category type. That is the only part in the entire reading that cannot be changed. The secret analysis lies in that, and that's your red thread in life. It's your genetic imprint. It's important as it functions as your anchor, so to speak. The other two parts change all the time. One would be your energy at the time of your reading, not your mood. Whether somebody had their morning coffee or not makes a difference. Fight with their husband or wife or not makes a difference. According to our system, the energies change every six months. It's a constant wheel of change. Hence, you can be in an energetic cycle where there is no leaf written for you.

Last but not least, the planets and stars have an impact on us, too. Their message is on the leaf. The reader must know Vedic astrology to be able to tap into the message that connects to the stars and planets. Based on these three aspects, two are changing all the time, one is not. It gives you, from the moment you get the reading, a possible life trajectory, not set in stone. It's very important because people freeze, “This is how my life's going.”

No, it shows you one potential. If you look with him into the future and you like what you see, wonderful. Work to make that a reality for yourself. You still have to do something. You cannot just sit on your bum and say, “The reader told me I'm going to have this and that.” If you don't write the book, you will never publish your book. It's that simple. He shows you there's a potential, an opening to write five books, to get married, or whatever. You've got to do something to make it a reality. If he identifies blocks, something that's not good or even ugly, beautiful, too. Embrace it with all your heart because now, you know that you have a block. In my case, karmic block. The block can be karmic. It can be generational, family-based, different, or planetary.

The Role & Importance Of Pujas

Now that you know that there is a block, you can do something about it. The real power of reading is not so much the reading itself because it's a guideline and you still need to work for it, but the identified blocks, which you might not have been aware of before. You only saw the reality that it created for you, like you were hitting a wall all the time, not knowing why. In my case, health. In other people, it is bad relationships, not enough money, you name it.

Naadi Palm Leaf Readings: The real power of the reading isn’t in the reading itself—it's a guideline, and you still have to do the work. The true value lies in identifying blocks you may not have been aware of before.

Now, you know there is a block. He tells you there is a money block, there is a karmic block, there is this block, and it manifests itself this way. You're like, “I understand.” Embrace every single block identified with an open heart, as a blessing in disguise, because the real power in the reading is the pujas, the remedies. A leaf is divided into fourteen chapters, and the last chapter is the remedy chapter. The Maharishis, in their great wisdom, not only do they give you a guideline to lead a better life for yourself after the reading, but they also help identify the blocks that cause whatever vicious cycle that you might be trapped in this lifetime. They also give you remedies. How cool is that? The remedies are not earth-shattering. They're not. Anyone can do it. I did it, too.

A puja, a remedy, literally translated, means a prayer ceremony or ceremonial act. That's either a mantra or something that you need to do. That's what it means. When I give talks or interviews, like here, and deal with primarily Western people, but mind you, we have a lot of Indians who get a reading through us too, even Indians who live in India, many times they said, “I trust you because I've seen you with Craig Hamilton, Reverend Bill, and this guy, and I know that I get my money's worth with you,” because they don't even trust their own, having to travel, and I'm not sure if they get an authentic reading or not. For the most part, it's Western people who are not exposed to any culture at all. Puja, in reality, is an energy-shifting exercise. That's what it is.

As much as an act of gratitude, in my opinion, that's the most powerful energy-shifting exercise. If you're grateful for something, not just as a chore, and you do it because you were told by your parents that you're going to be grateful for something, that's a waste of everyone's energy. If you're truly grateful deep down, that's an energy shifter. If you pray, if you go to church or temple, if you do it with your heart, then it's an energy shifter, too. Big time it is. Meditation is an energy shifter. These pujas, literally translated prayer ceremony or ceremonial act, are also an energy-shifting exercise.

Why do I go so deep into this? Because at that time when I had my reading, I knew that from my previous work that I've done, to even get me to a Nadi reading, I understood, I knew already then that everything in life is energy. It just manifests itself differently. The laptop that I'm using to talk to you, or the program called Zoom, is also energy. The money that comes into my pocket is also manifested energy. My health and my cancer are also manifested energy. Everything is energy. I knew even at a young age that, not at nineteen because I thought I was a victim, but soon after, I realized that nothing happens independent of me. I am an intrinsic part of everything that happens to me because I'm the creator of the reality that I'm in.

It all happens in here, all of it. Success, money, deep relationships, children, fulfillment, happiness, joy, but also sickness, anger, and envy are all in here. We create it. Eventually, I understood that I had attracted cancer into my life. I knew it. I also understand that I'm the one who attracted myocarditis into my life. I knew it. The power in this is amazing, and it gave me a lot of freedom. If I can accept that I attracted it, then I can also distract it and disconnect from it. I can change it. It's energy. A puja helps you shift the energies.

If I can accept that I attracted something, I can also detach from it, redirect it, and change it.

My undergrad degree is engineering, so I like to use, in this case, maybe an engineering analogy. The perfect curve in the universe is a sine curve. If something is in a sine curve, then it's perfect. Your health is good. Your relationship is good. I'm utilizing human experiences now. Money comes into your pockets, wonderful, but in some areas, or all areas of your life, it's not a sine curve anymore, for whatever reason. The further away you are from being a sine curve, the more screwed up it is and the bigger the block in the problem. Health issue, money issue, relationship issue, and you name it.

These pujas help you to simplify it, to bring the screwed up curve back to as close as possible. It's impossible to be a perfect sine curve. The closer you get to it, the more you overcome the block, the more they dissolve, and you can attract 'good things' into your life. The pujas, as the only part of the reading, must be taken verbatim, not the reading itself. The puja must be taken verbatim and must be done exactly as prescribed for a simple reason. By doing it exactly as prescribed, you show the universe and yourself that you're serious about overcoming the block identified in a reading.

If you do it as a chore again, for show, you put up the picture of the god and do the mantra, but in reality, your mind is God knows where, your last TV show that you watched, or you go through your shopping list, then don't do it at all. It's a waste of your time. If you do it with all your heart and the intention while you're doing it to help overcome the blocks identified in your reading, then it can be very powerful. I've seen people who were told they could never be pregnant and have a child, who have been wanting to find a partner for decades, find a partner, land a job, publish a book, or whatever. It's possible. I'm telling you it is possible because, in the end, everything is energy, and the pujas are a tool for that, a vehicle.

That is why they must be done verbatim, nothing big. It's a mantra. Anyone can do it, but they must be done on a specific date, day of the week, full moon or new moon, or whatever specific days there are. Yes, you have to go with the full moon or the new moon in your area, wherever you might be, and then find the exact date for you to do it. Is that work? Not really. It's a small price to pay for a big result in the end. It could also mean an actual act, something you have to do a puja.

In my reading, for example, I was told to feed the needy on two consecutive Wednesdays. I didn't have the guide that you have in me now, who knows a lot. I think the Western person knows the most about all this worldwide. I didn't have the guide, but I knew intrinsically, I needed to feed the needy on two consecutive Wednesdays. At the time, I moved to Budapest in Hungary. I didn't speak Hungarian and didn't know anyone. I asked the reader, “What exactly do you mean by that? Soup kitchen? Should I donate money? Should I give a sandwich to a bum on the street?” He said, “You will figure it out.” You know the typical Indian, “You will figure it out.”

Everything works out.

I was like, “I don't know what to do.” That's Wednesday, and I was then in Budapest, hanging closer and closer, and I had no idea what to do. No idea. I was sweating, and I didn't want to screw up my puja cycles because if you miss a cycle, you have to start from the beginning. I didn't want to do that because I was very determined and focused on doing all that. It dawned on me. I said, “I've been observing this elderly lady in the cafe that I still go to to get some lunch. She was always scrambling to find money to pay for her cheap lunch.” Nothing, $10. She's a needy person, in my opinion, because the reader said, “You will figure it out.”

To me, she is a needy person because I have observed her before. I told the waiter, “I'm going to pay for her. Don't tell her.” Cost me nothing, $10, not a lot. I still remember, and I still feel the emotions that I felt at that time when I think about it again. This lady who wanted to pay was scrambling in her wallet, and the waiter said, “No, it was already paid.” She couldn't believe him. She was looking around, and she thought he was joking with her, but no. It was such a beautiful feeling.

On the second Wednesday, there was a bickering young Hungarian couple in front of me. I didn't understand what they were bitching about, but I could sense they had a relationship issue. We all know this without having to hear the words. I heard the words, but don't know what they mean, so I stepped ahead and paid for their coffees. It stopped them right in their tracks. They couldn't believe it. They were like, “Who's this crazy guy who bought us the cups of coffee?”

I said, “Enjoy your day.” It shifted their energies like that, and that's a long time ago that I did when I had my reading. I still do that once in a while, and I can only tell the audience out there. Do it, too. It's a beautiful experience when you pay a random person without wanting anything back from them. A cup of coffee when you're at the airport or train station. You choose one randomly and say right before they want to pay, “I'll buy yours.” Beautiful experience. You pay forward. You help that one person. You have no idea how big a help this might be to that one person in that particular moment. It costs us almost nothing. It's a token of support to someone else, but it has a big impact on you, the person who does it, and the person who receives it.

That is the puja part, and the pujas are individualized. It's not the same puja for everyone. To wrap this up, when it comes to pujas, there are two sets of pujas prescribed underneath them. They are home-based pujas, pujas that Anand needs to do for Anand at home, and in many cases, also pujas that ought to be done by priests in a temple. Now, in my particular case, our institute's case, if they have the priests and no temple, then of course, you can organize it yourself. If not, we will organize it for you in the state of Tamil Nadu.

These two sets of pujas are independent of one another. You need to do your own, and because of karmic issues, planetary issues, or whatever, you might be prescribed additional support that needs to be done 'professionally' by priests who do it for you. You personally do not need to do anything with that. That's the puja part. Now, I covered all of it, and I hope that I didn't talk your ears off. You tell me which aspect I should dive deeper into, or whether you're good with what I shared with you.

That was the most thorough explanation. Thank you because it sheds light on the whole perspective of going into this reading, understanding that we are empowered beings, and taking self-responsibility for our lives. Nobody else is going to make the change. You have to make the change, being open and aware to coming to this with gratitude and humbleness. When you get the information, it's the most empowered information. It’s the ultimate knowledge pill that you could swallow in your life, other than maybe psychedelics, which also gives you some great awareness in life.

From there, you have the opportunity to change. The leaves know when you're going to be coming, and how it knows, you have to suspend your logical understanding of this. Time is something that we can go into, but time doesn't exist as we think it does with these leaves. It depends on which angle you're looking at it, based on the day and time that you're coming. When I did my reading, they knew the year that I was coming into my life, my 29th year. That was back in 2009. They told me everything up until that point to confirm the leaf, and then going forward through your increments of everything that would happen. They told me about my past life karma. I'll go into a little bit about my story, so people can get an understanding of how magical this thing is.

In this way, you can now also say that you have a second reading with our institute because many people say, “Is it a once-in-a-lifetime thing?” No, you can have many readings. Create your life yourself. Once we share a story, I can explain to people why they can have more than just one reading in their lifetime.

Totally, because, as you said, energy changes every so often. This reading that I had in 2009 was magical. I do crave what is the next step in my soul's evolution because I did listen to everything that I was told. I did all the pujas. I did all the remedies. Back in 2009, I heard about this a month prior. I was going down to Chennai for my sister's wedding in India, and my family is from the north-west of India. Never been down to Chennai. She was marrying somebody from Tamil Nadu. My brother-in-law's brother told me about this technology. The day after her wedding, I went to the center. I gave my right thumb impression. It took a while because there were a lot of people there. There were Japanese tour buses and German tour buses.

I went there to give my right thumb impression. It was late at night, about 11:00. They finally brought me in. They located my leaf. The first question they asked was, “Is your father's name Jitendra?” Yes. “Is your mother's name Ila?” Yes. This was after a few leaves of reading and a couple of stacks we went through. They asked me some questions. To some, I said yes. When I said no, they went to the next leaf. Two and a half bundles later, is your father's name Jitendra? Yes. Is your mother's name Ila? Yes. Were you born on January 13, 1981? Yes. Did you have a finance degree? Yes. Are you currently unmarried? Yes. Is your name Anand? Yes. It was all these successions of questions and yes, yes, yes.

All of a sudden, my heart started beating. They even knew that I was going in for shoulder surgery, which, if it was a fake and they had some database to search, they would have known that. There's no way. They knew both my sisters were married. They knew one of them was divorced. My other sister got married the day before. It's all these things. They knew that I was coming in my 29th year. They confirmed my leaf, and then they went into three-year increments of what's going to happen in my life. That was the most unbelievable mind-shifting reality experience.

I was always open to this stuff, but when you actually experience it, you're like, “What is time? Am I living in some alternate reality because in what logical sense can you make any sense of this stuff that somebody wrote these leaves 2,000 years ago about my particular life and other people's lives?” Since that technology that I got read, I've told other people. Other people have gone to India. Some people have gone to many different centers and finally found the one in a remote village somewhere.

I also brought my ex-fiancée. It didn't work out. I brought her to New Delhi, where they have some centers that are sister centers with the Chennai ones. We went to four different ones, but many of them tried to convince her that they had her leaf, but there wasn't. There are people out there who do want to scam you, and they try to make it convincing. We spent lots of hours. It's almost like beating you down with frustration. “We have your leaf.” It was very vague. I was like, “We need to leave.”

Finding somebody who's very reputable is challenging. That's why I got so excited when I heard about you and your institute and how you do everything with the utmost integrity, because in India, if you go, you never know. Even if you think somebody is reputable and somebody else got a reading done there, they might not have the next person's leaf, and they might try to convince them that they have the leaf. There's a lot that you have to consider, like what experience you want and making sure that you don't get scammed when you go down there.

It's easy to talk to a Westernized Indian going back to India. I have many Indian friends here, too. They know. If you want to do this right, it takes time. I spend a lot of time, money, and energy on testing, vetting, and finding readers that fit our structure, our belief system. I don't even make money with this. I don't even own a car. Money is not a big thing in my life at all, as long as I can buy my cup of coffee without having to sweat it. Does it cost $4.20 or $5? Makes a difference to me if I want a coffee and that's it. I don't want more.

I come from a very wealthy family. My dad was wealthy. I told my mom, “Even if he somehow got back the money, $100 million or something, I wouldn't buy a yacht. I wouldn't buy a car.” I would dedicate my life to the foundation and help others as best as I can. It's not me. Money is not my big driver at all. To help another person is a beautiful thing. It becomes in the heart. It makes me super happy to see that someone else can create for themselves because you still have free will or choice. It can only be a guide for someone else. Show the water, but they have to drink the water themselves.

I'll go a little deeper also for you because you're Indian. There are four yugas, which I presume you've heard of. These are huge time spans. We are in the shortest of them now, which is still almost 500,000 years long. It's called Kali Yuga. Kali Yuga is the dark times, the winter, if you wish. Four yugas, four seasons, to make it easy to connect. Now, we're in the dark times called Kali Yuga. The good news is that we're in the tail end of it.

The Concept Of Old Souls & The Purpose Of The Leaves In Kali Yuga

That means we are about to be done with Kali Yuga, and because it's a perpetual cycle, we re-enter the golden times where everyone, 100% of humanity, is on the righteous path. In the dark times now, only 25% are living the Dharma. That means 25% of souls have to carry 75% of humanity on their shoulders, who are not focusing on the 'right thing,' to carry us through it. The Maharishis wrote these leaves for old souls specifically. If you get a reading, you're automatically an old soul.

In the Hindu tradition, there are seven life cycles. Each cycle has many lives. The last cycle is called the Moksha cycle, where you are getting ready, prepared to enter Moksha, which means liberation. Once you enter Moksha, bliss. You are reunited with the eternal source, and you can stick your toes into a sandy beach and sip on your piña colada for the rest of eternity.

You don't have to come back here.

Correct because the cycles are mandatory. There are cycles, but many lives, not just seven lives. In each cycle, you spend many lives to learn the lessons from the bottom up. The first cycle is what it is, being alive, so from toddler to professor at the university, if I can use that terminology. The reading tells you, are you in your sixth cycle, one more cycle to go, or in your last cycle? These leaves were only written for second to last, last lifers, as we call them, and re-Moksha. Re-Moksha means a soul that is stupid, and mind my humor, stupid enough, already being reunited with the eternal source, getting bored, and saying, “I need to come back and help humanity,” because nobody forces you. You don't have to. You're an idiot for voluntarily coming back to help humanity.

We call those people time travelers, light workers, or re-Moksha souls. These three categories of souls have a reading because they're old souls. They are meant to help these old souls during the dark times of Kali Yuga to create a better life trajectory for themselves after the reading. As they create a better life trajectory for themselves, by default, at least that was the idea, they help others to create a better life trajectory for themselves by being a good example for others, whatever you might do, like teaching them something, through a trickle effect, one reading at a time, making this Kali Yuga more bearable and this planet a better planet for all of us. That was the big idea behind it.

The Possibility Of Multiple Readings

Now, a person can have many readings. I know people at 6, 7, or 8 readings already. With our institute, I’ve been doing this now for 12 years, 3 or 4 readings. They come back only with us, over and over again. Very simple reason, your energies change all the time. A reading is based on three aspects at the time of your reading. Your thumbprint category type, which never changes, which we explain to you in detail in your reading, you need to embrace it because it helps you understand why certain things have been the way they are, and are likely to continue that way.

Naadi Palm Leaf Readings: A person can have many readings. The reason is simple—your energies are constantly changing.

If there's karma connected with it, puja, you can help overcome that, too. Your thumbprint category type, energies that change all the time, and planetary constellations change all the time. As you have your first reading, you improve your trajectory, like I did in my first reading. In my first reading, by the way, he said, “You're going to bring this to the West.” I thought he was joking with me. Look at me. I'm a White guy. I didn't want to do this,” but it turned into this.

Three, four, or five years after my first reading, I had a second reading with a different reader. A different Maharishi wrote it. I remember distinctly, and I wish I had recorded it. Now, we record all the readings, and people get the recording. The reader was looking at me. He was looking at the leaf during the matching process. It's beautiful. He looks at me and says, “You are doing this.” He was puzzled because he had never come across that in his lifetime, me, a foreigner, a White guy doing something that primarily male Tamils do, coming from a reader caste.

It was like a question mark, an exclamation mark, and a puzzled look. I said, “I don't personally do this, but I have an institute now that provides this service.” It was mind-blowing. The first reading said, “You will bring this to the West.” I could have said, “No. Forget about it. I have nothing to do with it.” I didn't plan it. He didn't plant the seed in me at all either. I was just enthusiastic about it, and I shared it with others. I started to create a new reality for myself because I gave in to it voluntarily, without big plans.

The second time, it picked up on the new energies. Now, the institute is here. “You're doing this.” It's meant every single time you get a new reading to bring that trajectory higher and higher. There is no end to it. Once you enter the rabbit hole, you discover one tunnel, and then you realize behind the tunnel are ten more tunnels, and each tunnel is ten more, and so forth. It never ends. You can never stop getting better. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to me.

Yeah, because we have limitless potential in this life. How do you reach the limit? There's no possible way. There's every time you take a new journey, you make a left instead of a right. All of a sudden, a whole new universe is open to you. Question for you, when you work with your Indian Palm Leaf Reading Institute, and they find your leaf once, do you have to continue the search after that for other leaves, and is it the same process, or are you working with the same base?

No. It's a different Maharishi, different bundle, different leaf, a whole new process. The second, third, or tenth reading has nothing to do with your first, second, or third. Very different. The first reading, as I said, usually, more than 90% of the time, is an Agastya leaf because he was the GP for lack of a simpler term. He wrote the most leaves. He is the father of Nadi Astrology. Most likely, the reader will go and search for an Agastya leaf or bundle for you first time.

Second time, if he knows you already had a reading, it's a divine act. There is no rhyme or reason behind it. He's like, “Maybe this time, I look for a different Maharishi,” and finds one, or he goes back to Agastya again because this time, Agastya has something else to say to you. Ultimately, you can have several readings from the same Maharishi and several Maharishis to get a reading from. It's possible.

I think the important thing for people to understand is that whatever reading comes, it is the perfect one for you at that time in your life. When you have the perspective of everything in the universe, everything in this life is perfect. Every piece of knowledge, whatever we think of as a setback, is either a lesson or a victory. When we look at life like that, then it becomes effortless, and we succumb to the greatness of it all and understand that we chose this. Maybe this free will that we think of is the destiny of our higher self. What are your thoughts on destiny versus free will?

We come here with a rough map. I know that we choose our parents. We do. I talk about myself. I chose to have a Western mother and a Persian father. I wanted to experience a potential, possibly, because you never know, this tornness of different cultures and through the revolution, the tornness of being derooted and everything else that comes with it. You somehow set the first piece into it and say, “Let's start from this point on the chessboard,” and see where it takes you. Everything else is up for grabs, I would say.

It's a conscious act. It is, every day. It's a conscious act to be ethical. It's a conscious act not to cheat someone. When you work for someone or yourself, too, as an analogy, if somebody builds a house to actually use brick and mortar and then cover it with paint so that when they scrape it off, behind it is substance, it's a conscious act. You can fake it, have a glossy facade. It’s beautiful, but it means nothing. As I said, everything else is up for grabs. What you do with it is the important part, not where you put yourself to start the game in this multiverse of possibilities.

Everything is up for grabs. What matters is what you do with it—not where you start in this multiverse of possibilities.

I know so, guaranteed. As I said, I've done a lot of journeys, meditation, and also shamanic help, like many, hundreds, a lot. I've been in that state, not with ayahuasca, mushrooms, or whatever, but also pure meditation. I do know, I'm 1,000% convinced that there is no reality the way we think it is. We create that reality every single second, and we live the reality in its multifaceted form at the same time. I live a reality where I took a left turn and had an accident and lost a leg, while I also live the reality where I took a right turn and met my future wife, with whom I have three kids. We live all that because this is a matrix. It is. I'm here to experience. There is no good or bad. It’s just is.

I know it might sound harsh, or it might sound, “How on earth can you think that?” To our higher self, my having cancer, being in pain, and struggling with death, thinking about it, has the same value as my being in love with my wife and girlfriend and looking into the eyes of my child. It's also an experience. I do know because it took me time, too, to fully incorporate this into my own belief system. In the end, it's just an experience, and it doesn't matter what it is. What we do with it is what makes all the difference. That's the way it is.

We all have challenges. It doesn't matter how wealthy or not wealthy you are, which country you were born in, which society you were born in, or which religion you have. It's meaningless. It makes no difference. What brings meaning to it is that you are here to experience X. X shows up. What do you do with it? Very simple. That's a conscious act. Every single time, if you decide to be ethical, kind, helpful, and understanding, you're creating beautiful karma not just for yourself, but for everyone else, too. We're all working toward that Satya Yuga coming. That is the golden era where all of us, 100% of humanity, are on that path where there is no pain, there is no sickness, there is understanding, there is pure love, pure energy. We can practice that now in the dark times. That's my aim in life.

Every day, we're making karmic deposits into our cosmic piggy bank. It's incredible. Another question for you, and I've heard this from some people and some readings. Is there an end date to the leaves? Have you ever come across any readings of that nature? End date, meaning, has there been any readings from Agastya or anything saying that after a certain date, the leaves will no longer be necessary? For instance, if we're in the golden age, it may not be relevant.

Again, there is no book. There is nothing written down. There are no chronicles about it. It's hearsay, almost all of it. In Hinduism, per se, there is no book. It's only word of mouth. It's the only global religion that has no Bible, if I may use that term. There isn't. It's rituals and word of mouth, and so is all of Nadi readings, too. It was passed on from generation to generation within the Nadi reading caste.

Conducting my talks with them, every reader says that they were written to help humanity, the minority, the 25% who are on the righteous path, and the old souls among the 25%. Not everyone who is on the righteous path is necessarily already in their sixth or seventh life cycle. It's to help them create a better life trajectory for themselves so that, in turn, they can help others, and those others then help others and so forth through the Kali Yuga, through the dark times.

No one can agree on when Kali Yuga will be overcome. One of the people that I talked to said it's in 30 years from now. I was like, “Really? In 30 years? If I look at all the craziness that goes on in our lives, there is no freaking way that in 30 years it's over, unless somebody presses the button and then it's over.” Some say a few hundred years. I can live with that more. We are at the tail end. Given that Kali Yuga is hundreds of thousands of years long, and we're at the tail end of it, whether it's 1,000 years, 5,000, or 500, in the big scheme of things, makes no difference. They say this is written to help us get through Kali Yuga. When Kali Yuga is overcome, there is no need for the leaves anymore. I can live with that. I’m absolutely sure.

Makes a lot of sense. For anyone who wants to get their reading, what is the best way to prepare and start taking action towards that?

Getting A Reading Through The Indian Palm Leaf Reading Institute

If they want to get their reading through our institute, then they can go to our website, IndianPalmLeafReading.com, and then click on “I want to get a reading.” You submit $100 because the search for the bundles costs $100. Given that we have a huge waitlist, and I'm not exaggerating, the $100 secures your chronological spot on our waitlist. That's what it does. You pay $100, we receive it, we send you information, and thank you so much for the payment of $100. Now, you submit your thumbprint. That's your next step. Gents right, ladies left.

You then upload it through our secure system. We have that, and we tell you, “Yes, we can use them.” That means we can identify your thumbprint categories or not. Once we say, “Yes, we can use your thumbprints,” then you enter the actual waitlist. It's all communicated in the emails that you get, then you have to wait. It can be two years. I do not know how long. It could be five months because I'm constantly working on expanding our capacities. It takes time. It takes a lot of time to do that.

Once the capacity is freed up, whenever that might be, we send an email saying, “Thank you for your patience. We know that you've been waiting for quite some time, but now the capacity has arrived to start the search for your bundles.” That means we will start the search for this. That will be step one. Now that we have your thumbprint that's usable, the reader knows your category type, and then it goes on a physical search, guys. No computer, no registry, from one archive to the next.

He either walks because he has a few buddies, and a few reader institutes are around there. If it's too far away, he hops on a bicycle, a moped, or a public bus. It's an actual physical act. You've got to be patient. The average search time once the search starts is 4 to 6 months. It could be 5 to 7 months, 6 to 8 months, or in the future, because I'm working on expanding our capacity, it could be one month. If I had enough readers, it could be a week or one day, of course, but I'm not there. There are so many readings, and it takes time to get them done.

Once bundles are found, then, whenever that might be, we will send you a notification. “Congratulations, we found bundles for you, which hopefully contain your individual leaf.” I can also tell you, once bundles are found, it's guaranteed you have a leaf. Ninety percent of the time, the first matching is successful, meaning he brings two bundles to the office. We have your matching and reading online on Zoom, and more than 90% of those sessions are successful. We find your leaf, and you get a reading. Ten percent of the time, the two bundles that were found do not contain your leaf.

The reader goes back, and the second search is much faster. It takes a couple of weeks because he knows where to go. That part is a divine act, I'm telling you, because out of the thousands of bundles that have your thumbprint category type, and there are 108 different thumbprint category types, yours I'm talking about, more than 90% of the time, he is able to bring the correct one to the office and has a match for you. That's mind-blowing to me because there is no rhyme or reason.

I ask them all the time, “How come you pick this one and not that one? They both have this thumbprint category type.” He says, “I don't know. I just picked this one because I think it will have it.” That is amazing to me, too. Ten percent of the time, we need to have a second matching, as it is called, and second matching has a 99% success rate. We already had a few third and very few fourth matchings. I'm telling you, once we find a bundle, it's guaranteed you have a leaf. It's just a matter of time.

If your intention and your heart are open to it, the likelihood is very certain that you'll find it.

The reading costs $400, which you only pay once bundles are found. We say, “Congratulations, we found your bundles.” You pay $400, and then you schedule your appointment. As I mentioned earlier, we offer readings seven days a week, give or take 340 days a year. The only time we do not offer readings is on all the big holidays in India because it's too noisy. Diwali, there are firecrackers, Pongal, naturally Christmas, New Year, and some of the Western ones, too. In general, maybe 20 days a year, we do not offer any readings.

Apart from that, 340 or 350 days a year, you can choose a day with several readings at the same time, twice a day, at 12:45 AM New York time, which is 9:45 PM the day before California time, or 6:45 AM East Coast time, which would correspond to 3:45 AM Pacific time. The rest of the world, too, because we've got Australians, many Africans in South Africa, from across the globe. All over Europe, they come. That is the reason why we chose these two time slots, because we can cover the world with them. It's not too uncomfortable for someone to get a reading. It's either later at night or early morning, and it makes it easy for everyone to get a reading.

We record it all. The whole thing is recorded. We edit it. You get a beautiful, edited version of the whole thing, from the first minute to the last minute. We use chat a lot, so you need to keep an eye on the chat as we clarify things as we talk. You get a picture of your palm leaf. The original remains in the bundle and goes back to the archive. You can print it out, then hang it up if you want. Last but not least, you get the pujas in a PDF format. We also include pictures of the gods and goddesses. You print out the whole PDF. You don't have to do any research.

We send it to you automatically. Maybe because you asked me how long the leaves will be around, the bundle goes back with your leaf in it to the same archive. Lo and behold, it can become somebody else's leaf in 70 years from now, in five years from now, or not. We do not know, but it can become somebody else's leaf. If the lifespan of a leaf is over, it is given back to the universe in a water ceremony. It's taken out of a bundle because the reader knows that's it. Don't ask me how. They just know it.

There is no textbook that says once four readings are out of this bundle of leaves, then it's done. No, there isn't. The reader knows, the real ones. That's very important to emphasize one more time. Maybe 20% of all the readers that you find in India are real. That might already be too big a percentage number. You've got to be careful.

This is for anyone tuning in. This is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to have access to something so sacred. It's literally your cosmic fingerprints, your barcode, that's being pulled out of the Akashic Record and into physical matter for you to be able to extrapolate. Dr. Q, I want to thank you so much for coming on and sharing this ancient wisdom and this knowledge with our audience. As we conclude, I wanted to ask you, why do you think you came here to planet Earth as Dr. Q, and what did you want to experience?

Certainly not what I experienced. That's why I'm happy to be a last lifer, and I do everything possible to never come back. I'm done. I try to create as much good karma and be done with it. Why? I don't know. It's an experience. As long as we don't put value on it, “That was a good experience. That was a bad experience,” if I can get to the point where I don't distinguish good from bad anymore and take the experience as experience, then God within awakens, because then there is no judging. There is no right or wrong. It's just is. When you're in that state, you are God. It's a beautiful state to be in. I've been in that state a few times.

Little me can do it. I didn't have parents who taught me yoga. My father, bless his heart, great dad he was, but he didn't even know what yoga meant. He kept saying yuga the whole time. I said, “Yuga and yoga are two different things.” I didn't have any parents who taught me these or put me on the path. I discovered it myself. If I can do it, you can do it, too. That's a beautiful story behind that. I can experience that bliss, which I presume you experienced too, Anand, and you do not need psychedelics to get to that point, but it helps. It makes it easier, to be honest. I know that you can get to that point through deep meditation.

At 54 years of age, I understand why these sages were ascetics. They lived in caves, separate from everyone else, so that you can truly go within and become one with the universe, be God. I'd say this, not as a big-headed person. No, I'm just saying that everything is God. You become one with the universe, but we're not meant to experience that. We're meant to experience a human experience with all the pain, the challenges, the struggles, but also the joy, the laughter, the easiness, good food, breathe air, and make love to people. We're meant to experience that. Once you're there, then you're beyond all this. What I'm trying to achieve is to experience the experience as an experience without having to say, “That was a great experience. That's a bad experience.” That gives you a lot of freedom.

That's beautiful. Finally, after all the searching that you've done on this journey of spirituality, what does God mean to you?

God means everything. I don't believe in religion. I've seen too much pain with man-made religion. Do I believe in God? Absolutely, as a concept of something that is not separate from me or you. It is in us. The more I go deep down the rabbit hole, the more I dig, thinking I will come to the end, the more I realize I will never come to the end, but I get to experience or catch a glimpse of the fact that we are God. We can experience that. God is inside of us in all its aspects and facets. That is God.

Amazing. I'm so grateful for you to come on and have this sacred time together. I appreciate this conversation. It was great.

Thank you for having me, Anand. I appreciate that. Namaste.

Namaste.

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About Dr. Q Moayad

Dr. Q was born to an Austrian (catholic) mother and a Persian (Bahai) father. He spent his childhood in Iran, an Islamic country. His family had to flee Iran for Austria in 1979 due to the Islamic revolution - not fleeing would have meant certain execution for his father, if not the entire family. As a child he already realized that nothing in life was ever “certain” - life means constant change and overcoming challenges and adopting to new situations.

Dr. Q battled with cancer from 16-19 while living in Austria. Having survived cancer at such an early stage in his life, opened his mind and soul for spirituality and everything that cannot be seen with one’s eyes. A journey that he has been on since. Even though he pursued a “regular” academic training and career - hence his PhD - and founding a successful tour operator business in the US - he continued to deepen his spiritual knowledge. Eventually he started to share his experiences and knowledge with others and became a mentor for others.

In 2013 he ended up in the ICU as a virus had attacked his body and caused major damage to his heart and lungs. He was once again lucky to survive. This experience caused him to seek his palm leaf reading as he was told by his sisterly best friend - Emese Boda - that a reading could clean up one’s karma.

The reading was a profound and life changing experience. He was told during his reading that he will bring Nadi Astrology to the west - which he dismissed as he is not an Indian and has nothing to do with India apart from practicing meditation daily, practicing yoga for 25 years and loving spicy Indian food. Yet, the prediction has come true as he is now traveling the world talking about Palm Leaf Readings.